Yes bullet...NURBS Finally I got Z4 activated and played around with it for a while yesterday testing out GOZ and some other stuff and I love it, th emore I play with Zbrush the more a feel i get for it. And Gster you're quite right about switching back and forth I really never knew you could open a MB file in Zbrush, but I like the automated obj import/export called GOZ, I tweak some in Maya go back to Zbrush up the geo levels and it still retains the details, I think this will considerably speed up a lot of workflows. I love the other stuff as well, although I hardly use Zspheres and such ( I suck at it when i think i move forward it moves inside aswell really annoying) Anywho... here is some doodling I did in Z4 last night, not much progress, but I was really happy I finally got Z4 to work and played with it