Sorry to let you all down after helping me so much, but textures had(have) me stuck in my tracks, but have only just found out about "normals" oops - no wonder wierd things happened - lol Am starting to (hopefully!) put the bits together, but since getting a book and looking through the S.M. VTM's again - I realise now I have been doing it all wrong... I'm not going to finish it, because even if by some miracle I did texture it, then the poly's are all messed up (Normals) for a game to work... Anyways if the saying that "You learn from your mistakes" is true, Then WoW! I'm a Maya Master - lol" [I seriously doubt that expression nowadays..... ] Good luck to all that are entering, and thanks for all help... Hmmm, animation huh? Regards all, Scraggy