cheers guys...

mayaguy - see above post to yours the horn texturing ain't really started yet - it will def be darker - cheers

blomkaal - yeah these comps are fun and they definitely spur you on to finish (not that I always finish tho )

Mike - I get where you are coming from will have a go at the texturing tonight - see what I come up with.

Mantat - yeah I was trying to acheive that sort of effect - there is asmall amount of bump which should create an indentation effect - like a branding/burn but not sure about the actual colouring of a burn/brand - will investigate further

once again ta for all comments