Hi again, thanks for the comments, it's not a self portriat but it does look a bit like me, only had front and side refs so used my own face to sort out a lot of the 3\4 shots, and smiles etc. Yeah the eyebrows need some worl they are a bit odd. Think now that the mouth is odd because I haven't moved the front of the lips back against the teeth, as they do when you smile. Sort it in the morning, cheers gubar