cheers guys! farbtopf: yeah i agree, it definitely needs to be more reflective and the legs are too hairy lower down - though i'm intending to make the fur on the top a bit longer. cheers for the pic. i'm using a layered texture with a color map and a ramp to make it go blue toward the edges and one for transparency - i don't think i have it right yet though. this is my first time using facio ratios and yeah, they seem pretty awesome! mastone - yeah - the wings need a lot of work - i'll give your suggestion a go.