oooohhhhh! Bash! Considering I am a profetional web designer, i know what im talking about. So I think you must have read what I said wrong or something. What im saying, is that the random image script they have, will not work for multiple images unless modified. Now I could help out with this if needed, I am a programer also. As far as the CGI script needed for the 'Choose you own layout' thing I suggested, im no help. This is more in )v('s turff, but what about a challenge. Once the first few layouts are picked for the random header, we could have a competition every month to get a new one. Kevin, when is rages header going up?