thanks joreahl, u mentioned about wallpaper, so i go and build a more nice xp model and render it using mental ray, and i preapare a 1024x768 wallpaper for you. you can get it from https://come.dotgeek.org/3d/windows-logo.rar here is the new render. the next is to render it to glass like effect, it think it would be really cool if i succeed.!! :attn: