Thanks All, Don't get me wrong I appreciate the help but......... I did say that I was a noob, sooo Comments like..[CENSORED]...........(I ain't gonna go there!) were not very helpful because I have no idea what you are talking about. But some were , and thanks for the link to the "Melting Vase" I tried it just now, But unfortunately even tho I checked and re-checked the text of the 'Expression Editor' it kept faulting.... like it did not have the "Particle" part in... Hmmm I am tired.... Maybe that's the prob, hmm looks like I got a long road ahead... Go Easy Chaps I'm a Virgin Dogg Regards Scraggy