looks good! I guess the problem With RealFakeGI and why its not as popular as GI_Joe is because of where Geomety meets. With GI_Joe, you can get nice Shadows where geomety meet, but with RealFakeGI, you don't get those nice shadows. for example, take alook at where the Cone meets the Ground plane. Hmm.... I am trying something out.. I will post another reply in a little bit. Thanks, Brian