Thanks guys Steve: Its at level 4 at around 131k polys but at level 5 it half a million!! I have a decent lo res Maya base head so I'll be using that for now, once the models are done forthis entire project then I'll move to Zsphere modelling hehe PBman: Dont put yourself down dude!! Jeez Im hardly a master at Zbrush or Maya, take your time and build up from as low a level as possible adding more detail as you need Cheers Jay