Thanks for that.. I will go and re-read mike's list and go through that list of tools...... Learning 'Bevel' and 'Wedge' has Improved my modelling, but sometimes its hard to rembember to use it, and I go extruding away - only to realize later I could have made life a lot simpler with a quick 'Bevel' so to speak That 'Apend Poly's' looks like a must have to me... Scraggy