ohh i remember the days. i know exactally what you're talking about (L space @n24d13'22"s<343.27' enter ) or how about my old favorite ( arc click e click r enter 25' ) Used to be a land surveyor myself, did alot of both office and field work, loved it, the field work i mean, hated the office part of it. was fun though, i designed quite a few subdivisions, i assisted in the design and development and grading of a small airport (one of those back yard airport subdivisions for rich people ya know? ) a few other projects did alot of road designs also. i'm a bit rusty on my cad though to be honest, its been a good. 3 years since i used it alot ( I did an old stint of work for my boss back last summer, but wasnt alot of stuff to do. ) g-man