luistlf, I tried my best but in reality its not all quads. Just do the best you can, and if you end up with a non-quad, oh well. Vectorman, you didn't screw me up at all, you helped clarify the feedback. And I appreciate it too. Your guesstimate was totally reasonable, I just had to go and really study the area to be sure I was doing it right. Hey I'd rather you guys bring it up than to not say anything Thanks folks, update tonight