"I learned about this one the hard way, after I'd already done Franky's hands and feet. They looked fine until I did a conversion to subds, nooooooooooo! Damned curse of the floating ovals.. I don't want to even think about how long I spent trying to fix _that_ mess "

hahaha, thats what happen to me when i was doing the Ninja tutorial by kurt... after my hands coudnt go into subdiv, i simply just coudnt handle it after trying soo many times countlessly.