Thanks guys, I am afraid I only finished the one chap in the end, so I just posted him; I thought it was better to expend the effort getting one as right as possible in the time rather than try and work on two at once.

I've learnt loads of new things this challenge, filled with firsts! Most enjoyable, thanks Mike and sorry I did not complete both guys. Has been really challenging and good fun. Thanks to all for their helpful ideas and suggestions too.

I'll add a list of tutorials and things I used later in case anyone might find them useful.