just reread your post, maybe it was easier than i thought to install the plug-in,...i do have a nasty habit of making out that things are harder than they actually are... i quite liked the idea of getting some insight into a second 3d package though, so i will stick with the xsi route. and thanks for offering to look for the plug-in for me, but yeah, i will go xsi. you could fly to england and compile my models for me if its not too much to ask?