Originally posted by Chirone or just use duplicate special... more efficient than deplicate esp if you gotta do the same scaling/translation/rotation over and over. very useful that duplicate special Can't use duplicate special because it doesn't mirror everything. Chirone - I've tried that way, and was able to move the pivot point no problem just like you said, but it only mirrors ONE of the objects, not as a group in whole. I still have to use the separate feature so the new mirror object is not stuck together with the mirrored group. The way GecT told me - Works perfectly because I can mirror a group of objects, and it will be separated from the object being mirrored. just what I needed. I do need to change some of the workflow, which means I have to NOT group it at first, and NOT rename the objects until I'm done, otherwise, i end up with another group with no objects. It's just weird that way. However, I have to read up how to do scripts, then that way I don't have to keep doing this. :-)