@ctbram: take a look now I have pulled an al nighter ( didn't realize it was getting near dawn pfff) @Jay: Yeah I was scrolling to al the fonts in PS and this one seemed to fit the bill @NitroLiq: resistance is futile LOL @stwert: Don't worry I suck at it to I mostly get meaning from scripting languages when there is some context to behold, I have to say however that after putting in a lot of hours in scripting and stuff even Java seemed to make sense, but that will be gone by tomorrow i wager What makes it so difficult is that everything is connected somehow if you change a property here something pops there it's annoying :headbang: @ben:Yes it was PHP, but I came so far along that I won't be doing that no more. The only thing I now still want to do is replacing the scrollbar with the aforementioned arrow, giving the active link a different color than the other links and getting in to google , oh and a contactform( I will get a template from the internet) Well it is getting a long pretty nicely especially for my first website ( look at the stills page pretty nifty imagegallery) Well I am going to bed now