as far as i know the 2400+'s and 2600+'s arent expected to be out (over here at least) til end of october/early nov... AMD seem to be becoming the kings of vapourware/paper releases Maya on a 9700 is.. well it worked ok without crashing!I installed maya on a friends machine who has the card, but to be honest I couldnt really notice much difference compared to my ti4200 (though UT2k3 sure looked sweeter and played smoother ) Personally I'm gonna hold out for the nv30 .. should be a sweet card