Thanks Darkware! You know you're right, these books don't come out for a week and half. So let's try this. Let's look at these books'/authors' previous releases. I'm guessing they'd be the same, just updated to maya 4.5. so there's a fundamentals 4.0 book that's been out a while by same authors https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846 and Maya Savvy is the next installement from Mastering Maya guys. here's that book. https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books Which would you say, if you have these books, is more geared towards intermediate or is just plain better? According to my budget, I can only afford one at the moment. Thanks, George