^ i appreciate the comments mirek but dont get your comments about it, i followed the tutorial correctly and got a credit for my model. wat do u mean its messed up where the arm joins the wrist and the hand joins the ball joint? to me its perfectly fine and i fail to see wat u think is weird about it if u think the nose picking is the least of it. i could take some more renders but it takes a while to render on my comp so nevermind Do u go to adelaide uni mirek?