really great work, especially after seeing the original image you posted Well it was a long time ago...in a galaxy far far away since I posted that first image and luckily I tend to improve over time . I was going to amaze you guys with another render, but since my license for renderman expired the scene file doesn't load renderman is somehow encoded in the scene file and since I haven't saved as an .ma file I can't open the file in notepad grrr. So I will probably have to wait until somewhere next week until I can open it up again. Ah well back to Zbrush then