Rage, My life story! no, i actually did the same thing, that is why i post all kinds of stuff here and not there anymore, it is alot more insperational posting stuff here. I bet if I started my WIP on the JP Jeep there, instead of Simplymaya, I probably would have given up halfway thru the project because of the comments, or lack there of that I would have gotten. But, I posted the wip here, and you guys are really motivational. I wouldn't get half the stuff done that I do if I didn't post here. You even gave me a call when I wasn't here for a few weeks to make sure nothing bad happened!! With the tons of menbers on CGtalk, no one would have probably done that. THanks for your help guys (esp Rage)! Brian