hi i was just loking at many of the polygon models people have done and wondered how they get their "things" to be so smooth without using millions of faces and vertesies? always when i do a poly model the faces alwas show in the render and i can never get a smooth surface even if i use the smooth poly.:headbang: is there another way to make polygons smooth or is there just another option in the poly smooth that i have over looked?