thats quite a cool idea bullet, im not averse to making several images from this, which brings me onto... dave, i actually did a polypaint on this in z but lost it. there were two routes i was thinking of taking, one the render out of z, and one z to maya, so i will probably still have a go at rendering layers from z alongside the maya route. theres a workflow outlined in the scott spencer book i have for this which id like to follow, and learn a bit more about adjusting materials and lights in z. for the maya route, im thinking of the image im working on as like a film still. with like an alien type atmosphere/setting.i think im going to model a semi lit doorway and hall to the back left, and on the right im thinking of like a 'heeeeres johnny!!' moment, with some one on the other side of the glass, a screaming woman, or child, or something. i can see it in my head but not sure if it'll work in practice. cheers speedy