Nirsul. Yeah I could sure see that. I was just thinking maybe with a bit of mel used you might could bring a lot of precision in to the process. Yes very true the controls in maya are geared more to intuitive artistic use, but the underlying engine is very capable of precision I believe. its just not very assessable. would the channel box give you precision on some things, that your looking for? I am more inclined to see the big gaps in tools though when it comes to circles and arch’s in maya. If I remember right even the early versions of AutoCAD had some really nice tools for them. Like being able to select 2 intersecting lines and tell it how much of a bevel arch you want in there with out having to know the center of the arch. really curiosity is just killing the cat hear. because when it comes to drafting, I only learned barely enough to get my self in to trouble. Nothing but kudos and respect from me for your knowledge in that area.