thanks for the reply, mastone yeah!!, using a mouse is a pain in the ass, i do have a tablet, but it's one of those cheap ones, and is just plain useless, has very little control, and i also find it slows me down cause i have to keep hitting the keyboard short cuts, i know the wacom tablets let you assign shortcuts to the tablet it's self, but currently i just cant afford one at this momonent in time, just out of curiosity, which brushes and what fall do you use when using mudbox? i'm attaching a pic of the brushes and fall off i use, to tell you the truth, i think it's all down to what technique you use, and feel comfortable with, cause i'm using a different technique now, then the one i use to use in the past,