also I just tried a couple of the options given to raise the face count. They helped, the effect is much less pronounced now, say only 5 or times around the plate. But I undid, and did a smooth and its completely gone.

However now it begs the question, after the smooth the model is up to a little over 28,000 faces. Is there a way to avoid this to keep the face count low? That just seems a bit high to me, maybe its because I've done some models for games in the past.