hey alex... nice to see your renders and i reallly got inspired by your work....but actuallly i was wondering that how did u find PHYSICAL sun'sky in maya 8.0 actually its a new feature that has been introduced in maya 8.5... anyways i liked the work and im presently working on a scene that is using physical sun and i face a problem in taking out shadow pass diffrently...can u guide me for this..??? actualy i dont have anything like CNTRL buffers with me so wht is another way if any?? hope to hear for u and kindly xcuse for anything else that might have offended u.. with regards, bhumit:bow: