Jay, thanks for the crit and the link...i skimmed a little and ill read more of it when i get the chance. I think what i really need is some basic art classes...maybe next semester. I tweaked my man a bit based on a sphere cut in half and i messed with the face a little...still nowhere near perfect but i think its a huge improvement. One of these days he will look spectacular! Think of him with some tribal red/blue paint all over his face. Oogashaka!!!