Originally posted by legendofzombi think you might have a bit too much indent in the Brow ridge area, that.. line of detail yoyu added...might just be the angle of the pic though... Legend you're right. fixed it . thanx Originally posted by Pony Whats the refrances like ? I'm not totaly sure what your after but I kinda thought the line from the side of the nose down past the sides of the mouth is a little to far away from the corner of the lips. i am loosely basing this on a design by a friend : https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...emon_wings.jpg and i fixed the corner of the lips , thanx. this is modeled mostly using the poly by poly method, not box modeling as i find box modeling less intuitive when modeling after a reference [for characters]. nothing special just push and pull verts. :tup: thnx for C&C updates soon