Thanks dave for that I may just use your texture if you dont mind as I have no great experience with photoshop just a little....one thing I was gonna ask you do you use vue at all or does anyone ere use it at all??? I have been playing with it over the last few days(reason for no updates on my character) do you find it crashes alot?? but will be cracking on with maya later so will let you know how the uv and textures go for the head Jas