Actually Murph I have a pair of wee little rams on the back of the legs...I was thinking about doing rams on the front... ransick: I really want to progress it through Maya...if I can figure out how to turn the Rhino file into a Maya file... plus I need to learn how to texture I get out of school in 3 days so I need to figure out how to get that big ole file off the school puter and stick it at home...