Originally posted by Pure_Morning use cuts and extrudes to make the edges more defined. You dont need to do the whole make soft and make hard thing. See pic below, same cube with a smooth on it but the last one has cuts to keep the shape Do you mean make very thin polygons close to the edge I want sharp edged? I alredy do that, and it's the thing I would like to avoid. If not could you be more specific? Thank you and please be patient. R.