THX: Yep, Kurt converts to subDs quite early in the project. I don't really have a clue about them; all I know is I prefer working with polygons! I'm going to go with it though, and perhaps model it again in polygons to see which I work best with mastone: thanks for the tip! I'll probably duplicate it near the end as I have some image planes for reference Kurt: I can't believe I missed that! I've hit 3 and it looks right now Just out a subD-newbish curiosity, what are the advantages of SubDs? Thanks for the help guys