Hi z1mmnd14, nope had forgot that tutorial... but I will properly have a closer look at it... because it is quite difficult for me when I only have a front view... :-) I have tried to do different stuff with it... extrude, pull abit here, push it a bit there and so on... but I'm not quite happy with it, so I may start overnew with it... however thank you very much for the tip... what I have done so far is, that I duplicated the polyplane, extruded the duplicated one, and combined it with the other... and then pull, push, split, extrude... some of the screencaptures that I wanted to show, didn't make it very well... somehow the screencapture program thought it was better to take a picture of it self, instead of what I wanted it to take a picture of... regards Strarup