Thanks for the replies to the post, I apriciate all of your comments. utpal, I dont have any references for this project at all, I did not know which would be the best way to go about doing it. all I know is that I amextruding edges and snapping them together to form the basic shape of the head. From there it is all a mystery to me. I had no idea that there were a speacial way that I should setup the loops If you would know where I could get this image you are talking about I would gladly study it, and fix my face. Next Design, Thanks for the reply. I have examined your pic that you sent to me and am un sure of how to fix the loops from this stage. I would almost hate to start over LOL. any ways thanks for al the help and I could still use as many C&C as possible\

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Leland Webb

Webb Creative Arts