Cheers G, get in there mate. Cheers Steve, yeah its a little like that for me atm too, hence making myself do this. I just posted this over at CG talk. A guy just commented telling me I need to adjust my image planes LOL, He then directed me to an image plane tutorial showing me how to make perfect line ups, since when was a human face perfectly symmetrical. I really wish people would read previous posts. LOL. However I did point out I do this for a living so we'll see what comes of that LOL anyway will post when I can later cheers for now Jay