Thanks ctbram
You realy should do a tank I would like to see that and theres rigging on them as well, what eara?, I have got to do the rigging on this at some time and some mel script to control the hull. I realy did not use any referances for this tank as most tanks have the same parts (ex Jerry can). as far as I have a broad understanding of maya that comes at a cost that I am master of none and yes us old buggers will carry on.............dave

Edit:Thinking of putting a crow 2 50cal machine gun on top, I will need referances for that