Thx Jay, well, i took my pants off and the legs seem to go pretty high up there hehe, jk...please post that reference and lets see whats up. Bruce, I will adjust that back a little bit to take away some of the hump. Make it straighter. these bodybuilders have proportions that makes them look like aliens in some cases. I have placed two separate references one on top of the other (one of a body builder and the other one of a regular guy) and the differences are amazing... thx all for the comments.