Wow thanks! Got that fixed by doing your suggestions, had to merge quite a bit of pgons, caused from spliting, i didnt know how to snap beginning verts so it was a million verts overlayed on top of each other! My new problem is certain parts of my model, when i click a certain vert another vert is also highlighted but in white, and when i move the original, the white one moves, like there linked or something, cant figure that out Any ideas? Thanks and sorry for all the questions, and YES i have been doing searchs and whatnot before posting to see if i could find a fix, but nothing for this! Thanks