thought i had best post this
Just to satisfy any curiocity ... i have discovered that edge loops are very important and that you just cant fudge them ... get them right or just go home ... so i will be returning to this model either when i own a copy of SILO or after i figure out how to re draw the geometry otherwise i am starting again ...but here is where i got to
"Climbing the walls of the 'Uncanny Valley"