star, yep, those are boxers , until I find something sexier that's what he will be wearing. I havent done much with this guy lately, but I did manage to put some veins on his arms. They are all modeled...no bump/displacement maps used. I did start the uv maps, and its pretty much done, but its a mess...hehe. I have one section for the head, one for the arm, one for the hand, one for the leg, one for the foot, and one for the torso...is this how its normally done?