have you got any refs Oz??? I posted some in the animal section yesterday which have some good images of horses, then I would just get an image of a weightlifter and try to composite the two maybe? Thats gotta suck hamidz!! I know some one else who lost a crap load of work...not nice. Nice model...very detailed! cheers bullet lol the first pic in my post isnt the centaur i made...its just a reference image i found on the net to show the correct proportion of a realistic centaur. the second pic, the base mesh, that one is mine and the only thing left of my centaur project, the details and all the other files i lost :p