And one final thing your all meshes looks gr8 . I hardly try to keep my mesh low and to look good but it looks like crap ... ok when i smooth my head it's a little bit find ... but yeah it's shitty some tips need ... I know i have to get rid of triangules and five side faces ... i have to edge loop i try to do that but the result still is this mesh i really don't like it un smoothed :angery: