Mchannon, WOW. Thanks so much for all those sites. And to matt, thx so much for that drawing. It is exactly what I was looking for. I was even hoping for the spikes on the shoulders. But for some reason I only get from the waist up. No legs, weird, but if there is a whole image, maybe you could post it again, or e-mail it to me at take0ffyoupantsandjacket@comcast.net (there is a zero at off, not an O) And thank you so much to everyone who is helping. I cant wait to get working on the game.