after seeing this post i decided to try it myself as well if anyone wants me to do a short write up about how i did it i can do that. click the link for a full sized pic to see it better in the picture is the first object i started with and the middle one is with the piece sub divided and faces extruded, the third is a somewhat modelled soccerball after some normal smoothing. full sized pic https://www.superhonda.com/photopost/...soccerball.jpg