thanks for the advice .
i have to admit im following a tutorial thats why im converting to sub div, of course the tutorial guy never has this problem. lol
yea your right about the smoothing thing, thats how the finished model will be rendered, just using the sub div to push and pull a few things.
the more I Think I know about Maya the less I seem to know about it.
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