Hi again, I found a different tutorial on creating a spiral using the cv curve tool.. I converted to poly, duplicated and then created one twisted cross bar, and then duplicated that 73 times using the dup special.. and here is the result!! PS: I live about 20 minutes from Meteor studios in Montreal, and from what I hear, they are going through rough times.. not paying some freelance contracts, and lots of messy stuff out there.. Anyways, Thanks for the help!!