WEll heres the pics of the first extrude problem i'm aving.. Tried everythgintahts been mentioned already, and tried making sure my "Keep Faces Planar" was checked under tool options.. Talekd to Vlad in Msn and he said this is normal, and i need to find a script that will extrude face alon gnormal.. so.. any help there, or other suggestions are both welcome.. Cheers G